tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1820243696969815052.post8330513556294775173..comments2022-04-02T11:11:39.133+02:00Comments on Fennoscandia Biographic Project: Ancient gotlanders vs worldwide variationAnders Pålsenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13444056522800105747noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1820243696969815052.post-664469238337499992012-06-26T12:59:21.222+02:002012-06-26T12:59:21.222+02:00Yes, I know.Yes, I know.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1820243696969815052.post-44237176030596448762012-06-26T12:47:26.991+02:002012-06-26T12:47:26.991+02:00Onur: Yes it could be interesting, maybe one could...Onur: Yes it could be interesting, maybe one could infer "old" and "new" meditterian components among modern Fennoscandians.Anders Pålsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13444056522800105747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1820243696969815052.post-63931023145032234102012-06-26T12:46:16.090+02:002012-06-26T12:46:16.090+02:00Onur: There is a limitation in the number of SNP&#...Onur: There is a limitation in the number of SNP's available from the ancient Gotlanders that match available reference genomes. This make the analysis less clean cut than those made from several hundred thousands SNPs. This result in more spillover effect between the different components.Anders Pålsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13444056522800105747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1820243696969815052.post-44448738344646440642012-06-26T04:12:30.726+02:002012-06-26T04:12:30.726+02:00It would be better if you included the Neolithic f...It would be better if you included the Neolithic farmer sample (Gok4) in this analysis.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1820243696969815052.post-65578906659862752632012-06-26T03:54:54.154+02:002012-06-26T03:54:54.154+02:00By noise threshold, I mean noise upper limit.By noise threshold, I mean noise upper limit.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1820243696969815052.post-64948505448316658852012-06-26T03:13:54.839+02:002012-06-26T03:13:54.839+02:00For example, the American (Amer Indian) is very ol...<i>For example, the American (Amer Indian) is very old in Europe, but we still classify it as non-European admix.</i><br /><br />In this analysis the noise threshold of the "exotic" components is rather high. That is because the levels of the "exotic" components are inflated in this analysis.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1820243696969815052.post-91603354484344206112012-06-24T16:58:08.143+02:002012-06-24T16:58:08.143+02:00Maju: The reason why I didnt use the term "Eu...Maju: The reason why I didnt use the term "European" for the "Mediterranean" (thanks for the right spelling) is that this component spread far into the Middle East and peaks among the Bedouins. At some higher K however this component splintered into two components that peaks in Sardinians and Bedouins that represent Meditteranean and Middle East. The spread of the Middle East component didnt spread signifcantly to the European populations of interest so I used K=8. But formally at K=8 the Bedoiuns not Sardinians peaked at this component so I choose not to label it European.Anders Pålsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13444056522800105747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1820243696969815052.post-27616862021376729502012-06-24T16:45:15.955+02:002012-06-24T16:45:15.955+02:00I have not a big urge to partake to the discussion...I have not a big urge to partake to the discussion about Europeanness, but maybe we could use terms South and North European. In principle many people migrated to Europe during a long time and now we consider all admixes big enough to be European, but if the admix is smaller we dont consider it to be European, regardless of the age of it. For example, the American (Amer Indian) is very old in Europe, but we still classify it as non-European admix. But as I said, you can have different opinions, and there is a little sense in this classifying.Maurihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03670078523265515878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1820243696969815052.post-60545240424276447002012-06-24T16:22:00.010+02:002012-06-24T16:22:00.010+02:00Thanks, this is simply great! I didnt expect to s...Thanks, this is simply great! I didnt expect to see the k-value 8. It would be outstanding to generate an admix tool for processing individual results. Maybe it is possible to do in cooperation with Gedmatch.Maurihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03670078523265515878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1820243696969815052.post-51388583876055796482012-06-24T16:21:02.014+02:002012-06-24T16:21:02.014+02:00It's "Mediterranean", not "Mede...It's "Mediterranean", not "Medeterian", at least in English. <br /><br />Anyhow, the cluster you label "European" is not the real thing but some North or NW European subcluster. The "Mediterranean" cluster should also be "European" because when you compare European and Transmediterranean peoples (West Asians, North Africans), all Europeans cluster together and Basques score as high as Lithuanians in that (or more). <br /><br />So you are confusing (and possibly leading others to confusion) when using the term "European" there.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.com